Fire interview with Jura Havidic
found Juraj Havidić, singer/guitarist of the band Fire, power trio from
Yugoslavia, formed in 1972, that spent most of their early years touring
Holland and Germany. A band that was hand picked by Captain Beefheart to be his
opening band, but then the drummer fell ill and was hospitalized for 3 months,
so it never happened. Their only LP Could you understand me from 1973 has a cult following among collectors today,
but the band is virtually unknown at home and there is generally very little
known about them today.
and is a fairly well known producer; and he recently reformed the band. We met
in his favorite bar near his home in Zagreb suburbs and he almost immediately
starts telling stories of the band:
You said you’re from Celje, right? We
played there once in the 70s. I had a
cool psychedelic hat made out of rags. It was a Yugoslavian tour and the
management was promoting us as a foreign band, so the deal was we’re not
supposed to talk much to the people and reveal ourselves that we’re from
Yugoslavia. Anyway, I’m playing with this hat and I heard some guys talking: “Steal his hat, steal his hat!”, and I was not supposed to show that I can
understand them. So I was playing and singing and waiting for someone to sneak
behind me and pull off my hat. Which they did. They ran, and security ran after them, and off they went and I never saw
them or my hat again (laughs).
in Čakovec. He had his own small
buisiness, he was a goldsmith and he fixed watches. He retired a couple years
ago. He gave up playing music a long time ago, though.
actually. You should interview him too.
I’m pretty sure he’d love to talk about the band. When you go to Čakovec just
ask anybody – of the slightly older generation – where can you find Balić who
played in the band Fire (laughs). It’s a small town and everybody knows him.
years ago in a domestic accident. He fell of a ladder and broke his neck. I
loved him dearly, he was a wonderful man and a good friend. We were best men at
each other’s wedding.
the early days Johnny Winter. He’d
influence me a lot, with his guitar playing style, but also singing. I loved
Johnny Winter a lot, he would sing with soul and he was full of energy.
own songs with the band, I paid special attention to that we wouldn’t be a copy
of anybody, you know… even though it
happens in life that you become a copy and you don’t even notice, because you’re filled with music and, unknowingly, inserts from other songs sneak into
your work. For example, I heard that’
If you’re alone tonight’ sounds a lot like that band… what’s it called… butterfly something …
couldn’t have taken anything from them. But also stylistically people say,
even now that we play again, that we remind them of Cream a lot.
high school of chemistry – the first
band was called Acesal, named after pills (laughs), later us kids formed Pop express, named after a musical newspaper, that was about ’67, ’68. Anyway, first real band was Fire. Later on, when we returned from Europe, we made a deal with two guys from group
Demoni, and we became Demoni – Fire. In
1980, when I was seriously considering to stop playing altogether, we briefly
had a group called Izazov (challenge) , which was a very good band from Zagreb; and after that a band Daj, but we didn’t
record with them. That was a well known Croatian band, with Đimi Matešić who played in “Plava trava zaborava”, big bands,
etc. Then in 1981 we started a cover band,
we played paying gigs, like for example in Bled in winter tourist season,
etc. But it wasn’t overly commercial
music, really. It was more rock’n’roll, meaning it was Top 100 list, but we picked
only songs we liked, more guitar based songs.
it this way: when we came back from
Germany for our first Yugoslavian tour with bands like Time, Smak, Parni
valjak, etc., I can’t remember them all;
the most famous groups in Yugoslavia at the time, me and Dado Topić were talking about doing
something together. It was more a joke, but I took it seriously and I wrote a
song thinking how to persuade Dado Topić to sing with us. That song is called
‘Za tebe, draga’; you can find it on the Internet. So that song sounds like it was written by
him. I just hope he doesn’t accuse me of
stealing his ideas (laughs).
small town near Holland border, it’s called Neukirchen-Vluyn, near Moers and
Duisburg; so we spent more time in Holland playing; depending on how our
manager worked out the gigs. We actually
played both small clubs and large gigs more often in Holland than Germany.
serving the military, the three of us were already firmly decided to form a
band as soon as we get out. We went to
Germany, Balić and Vugrinec worked in a mine shaft. Balić had a technical education so he worked in the control room, and Vugrinec was actually working
underground. They did all this for the sake of the band, and we had money, that
wasn’t a problem. I was lucky and I didn’t have to work. Before the first gig,
we rehearsed for a year, every day, twice a day; before noon and in the
evening. We got really good and after a year I felt I was going to explode, I
was like:’ Let me on the stage already!’ Once we started playing, we lived off
– Yugoslawische hard rock’. And there was
a red five point star in one corner, and a hammer with a sickle in the other,
symbols of communism. That was our
management’s idea, and we went:’ What are you doing? They’re going to kill
us!’, and the management persuaded us it’s going to be great, people will fight
each other to get in. And they were
right, it was sold out and it was great.
pretty well known at the time. He made
some financial ‘slips’, as we found out
later. We worked with him for about 3 years, and he owed us money… I guess he didn’t give even half of the money
he was supposed to. Later on we found out that he had huge debts to the
government. Otherwise, he was managing Slade.
from Hendrix’ song Fire, I always knew the name of the band will be Fire, and
there was not gonna be any discussion about it. It was a no-brainer, never even
considered any other names.
Stones. Our manager Horst and Stones’ manager were making a deal, and their
manager obviously wanted to hear how the band sounds like. So Horst says:”We’re gonna give them our LP
now.” “But we don’t have an LP,” He
says: “We’ll record it tonight.” (laughs). So we entered the studio in the evening and in the morning the
recordings were done.
the vinyl stamper and the first pressings were late, so we failed to secure the
deal to be the opening band for the Stones. I’m really bummed out about that because I always wanted to play with a
band of that magnitude and in front of such a huge crowd, because that’s when
you can really put out everything you’ve got.
it was all first takes, all live.
time. Somewhere on the album I’m playing
slightly out of time for a little while. The thing was, the headphones slipped off my ears and I tried to pull
them back on while playing and singing the whole time . I fell out of tempo slightly, but somehow
managed to put them back and on we went with the song…
Germany, small clubs from 200 people up to a 1,000. Same in Holland. There were
a lot of those clubs.
front of 5,000 – 10,000 people, we played mostly with German bands, like Birth
Control, Guru Guru, Amon Düül II, UFO… There was this electronic band, I can’t recall their name, they were
unknown at the time, but later on they were no. 1 in the world…
of years ago…
got it. We laughed at them, they played
‘la-la-la’ on their little computers, while we were the real rockers
(laughs). But we’ve played with all
sorts of groups. We played a number of smaller disco clubs and opening for us
was this singer who was singing to pre-recorded background music, his name was
Frank Farian. He’d later claim world fame with Boney M.
influence you, did you have access to them?
karate, stuff like that. I took care of myself and my health. But I hung out with people who used drugs in
abundance. I’ve seen all that. I don’t
really know, maybe it’s because I came from this, maybe a bit more ‘primitive’
place, all of that seemed like science fiction to me. I didn’t even want to try it. But many people here in Yugoslavia thought I
was using, because of the progressive image, long hair, etc. But in reality, it was just the opposite.
that time: one was Klira, a german made guitar. It wasn’t a top notch product, but it suited me really well. And I had a Gibson as a spare (laughs) ,
despite it’s a much better guitar. I wanted to record something with the
Gibson, so I played one blues song. That
was because I wasn’t used to Gibson yet; it was brand new and it takes a while
for a guitar to break in, takes a year or two before it really starts to suit
you. So the funny thing is, I recorded the album on some cheap guitar and the
real one was in the reserve.
Germany and he brought me one. That was already in 1968. Not many people had
that. I used both, Vox for smaller gigs and Orange for big stages.
SG standard): I had a couple of guitars, they came and went, but this is the only one that stayed with me since
the early days. People ask me to sell it, but I tell them there’s no way. This guitar suits me really well because it’s
so easy to play. You see, I have quite small hands and short fingers, and this
guitar is really soft, look at this: (he bends the G string right off the
fretboard). I can bend the strings two steps with ease. Bigsby is factory original, everything is.
headstock is pretty beaten, see? I used
to throw it down and toss it around on stage quite often (laughs). Yes, I did
Vugrinec had a Ludwig Big beat drumset. That was top of the line drumset at the time; we specifically searched
studio, I can show it to you.
potentiometer knobs with some poorly made Chinese ones. Look at this. Why would
he do that? It’s stupid. I’m gonna buy some original ones and send it to him…
he wasn’t playing anymore. But he said
OK, let it be here in your studio, since you’re still fiddling with music, but
one day I’m gonna ask you to give it back! (laughs) But I’m glad that the
original bass from the group Fire is here. I was actually searching for those Ludwig’s as well, I wanted to buy them
for the studio. They were sold somewhere in Međimurje near Čakovec, but I
couldn’t locate them.
Hendrix’ All along the watchtower. The
lyrics to the song are hanging off a radiator in the studio as well) You still
like Hendrix a lot?
We used to play it live back then, too.
really played mostly our own material. A typical night would be our own songs
and maybe one or two covers. In smaller clubs where we had to play more time,
we would of course play more covers. But the focus was on our songs, we weren’t
a cover band.
returned? You recorded ‘Message’ and ‘If
you are alone tonight’.
single. But this gentleman in Croatia
records, some smart ass he only liked classical music, he didn’t want to listen
quiet. We would sit quietly for 20 minutes and he was listening to Mozart, like
this (makes a snobby face), and after 20 minutes he says: “THIS is music, not
that garbage of yours.” And he wouldn’t even listen to our songs. What an asshole.
I think he still works there, or at least he was until recently. I can’t
remember his name right now… I’ll
remember it though. Man, I’m still angry. If I see him again, I’ll say: “Hey,
let me buy you a whiskey. Splat! Into his face!” (laughs). Yeah, you can quote
me on that… “This is music”, he says.
Well, I never said there’s anything wrong with classical, but why put other
deal for our singe to be released in Aleksandrovac. Diskos it’s called, I think. And that single was played a lot in
Yugoslavia, on jukeboxes. When we were
on tour, we could come in a pizza place or a coffe shop and we would hear “If You Are Alone Tonight” being played five times in a row, people would be
putting money in the jukebox constantly. It was very popular. And I think people thought we were from
Europe, they didn’t know we were from around here.
LP? You all wrote, right?
about 80%, 90% and we all wrote the lyrics together, although the bass player
Balić now says:’ No, those are all your lyrics. The drummer wrote some, “Where Are You” is completely his, music and lyrics. Then there was… just a
minute… I’m looking if it’s on the
reissue LP… not, it’s not. “Sunny day”, “My life”; he wrote the lyrics and I wrote the
music. We will release this song this
year when we make the album.
last song on the album? There were a lot of effects used on that song.
coincidence, we didn’t plan it at all. We recorded the songs and the Man says ‘You don’t have enough
material’. So we said, 3 -4, let’s go,
and we made that song in the studio. We
didn’t rehearse much so there are a lot of mistakes in it, but some people actually like those mistakes (laughs). But the song was created in the spur of the moment.
used on album, he explains):
was never much of a pedal guy. I only used one in the studio, it was called
Verzerrer, by… ah yes, Schaller (author’s note: Verzerrer simply means ‘distortion effect’ in german). And I had a wah, but I used in an
unconventional way, like another distortion pedal; I just jammed it in a certain position and
left it there for a while. Nowadays, I
use a Holy Fire pedal – see, there’s ‘Fire’ in the name; and an OCD overdrive.
way LP turned out?
in the early 70s, at this young age, to play this kind of material. But looking
back now, from a mature point of view and being a producer, I have to say it
sounds a bit ridiculous at certain moments, especially my poor English pronunciation. In those days, at 21, 22, we were full of energy and we didn’t
even slightly bother to think about details. But you play inspired, and with energy. We had a terrifying amount of energy.
in music, not so much production, and you guys were very raw sounding.
for me: energy, and to have a way of
transmitting that energy to the audience, so they feel it.
band Fire and we played for the audiences, a lot of well known musicians came
after the show to sincerely congratulate us, they said that they felt the
energy, and that’s the ultimate thing for me.
mačka’, and on the other side was a translation of ”If you are alone tonight’,
i think it was called ‘Kad priđem, tad se osveti.’
in the band – I left for Zagreb and everybody else was from Čakovec. They
didn’t want to use the Demoni – Fire name anymore so they named themselves
Horoskop. But it’s basically the same band, without me.
played in a good band from Zagreb called Izazov. After that, for a brief time, we had a group
called Daj. We wanted to make a well produced album in Jugoton with that band,
but again there were creative differences among us. We had a good keyboard
player, he was young, 19 years old. And we had a drummer called Pišta, he’s a
famous session musician. Keyboard player was Rajko Puclin from Varaždin. I think he plays jazz
now, he’s a good musician. Then, from
1981 to 1985, we had a cover band called Biseri. Lots of famous musicians
played in that band.
and you were originally from Zagreb, right?
home at least once per 3 months because I was officially a tourist in Germany,
so I had to come home every once in a while.
earlier. So people here didn’t know you were Yugoslavian?
it, we thought it was a fraud, which it was, on out management’s behalf. But
they paid us well so we went along with
it. Our English was too poor to pass us off as a British band, but we could get
away with being Scandinavian or from Holland.
Čakovec, since it’s such a small town? Were there any others?
legends of Čakovec, the oldest band from there, but I can’t really recall any
They pulled us out every time and searched everything, checked all of our equipment But those customs officers were not too bright. For example, we
modified the standard 4×12 guitar box so it held 8 speakers. It was so heavy
nobody could lift it. But they never figured out stuff like that, all they were
interested in were serial numbers, haha.
trendy ripped jeans and huge hair and beard, driving a brand new Mercedes. And
I always had a couple of thousand German marks in my pocket. And everybody
would be staring at me: what is this? You know how people were then, western imports were cool, and domestic
was not. And I’d pretend I was German
and asked the doorman to park the car for me, and he would bow, ‘Yes, sir!’,
and I gave him 20 marks. And I thought to myself, ‘What a dumbass!’ (laughs). That car was actually Balić’s and I
shouldn’t legally drive it across the border as a tourist.
I was young, I always wanted to have a studio so I can do what I love. I work
here myself, and my son works here a lot, too. My son is a guitarist, so I have
a good successor, a great guitarist. He plays in the band Aerodrom and he’s a
professional musician. He finished musical high school, classical music. But
one day he said he’s had enough of piano, he wants to play guitar. He found my
old Gibson behind the closet and started playing. And I asked: ‘Who’s gonna
teach you?’ And he said he’ll do it
himself. He found lessons and tabs on the internet and he had a good classical
background from school, playing piano. And he learned to play guitar very
quickly. He’s 25 now, he plays for 12 years, but he plays as good as he was
playing for 40 years.
Cover was made by a dutch painter named
Jan Tilln. By coincidence, we lived for
a while at our producers’ Jupps van Heys’ place, and Jupps aked him to give us
an idea for a cover. So he gave us this thing, which is in fact a huge painting
in some black and white technique, I don’t know how you call it. They put this
on the cover and that was it. It’s a really interesting painting. (smiles):
this painting is really fitting nowadays, for this dirty world and politics.
(stares at the cover for a while): Man,
it’s a really perverse cover.
around the world?
You can put my e-mail address there (email@example.com), I would really like that. Thank you.
– Matija Štumberger & Klemen Breznikar
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