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The Cigarettes interview with Stephen Taylor & Rob Smith

September 28, 2012

The Cigarettes interview with Stephen Taylor & Rob Smith

Interview:
‘The
Cigarettes’ were born in 1978. You were from Lincoln, UK and you actually had
quite good local success right?
Stephen: We
were a ‘local band’ in the most accurate definition of the phrase. We were
teenagers at the time. Adam the drummer was still at school, I was at the local
Art College and still living at home and Rob was at that time trying to figure
out how he could earn a living without working. I
can only remember doing two shows outside of Lincoln and one of them was for
John Peel from which we got the offer of a recording a session for his national
radio show. John Peel was highly regarded as a champion of whatever new music
was emerging throughout his long career. He had been playing our record on his
show, he asked us to play at one of his Roadshow gigs at which we got the offer
of a session.
As far as local success goes, Lincoln is a small city; having our record
being played on The Peel show and then recording the Peel Session made us
slightly bigger fish in a tiny pond. 
Probably by virtue of our puffed out chests and swollen heads.
How
did you come together? Were you and other band members in any other bands?
Stephen: ‘The
Cigarettes’ were our first band. Rob, the lead singer and guitarist and I were
in the same class throughout our entire school life. From 4 years old to 16,
and we were friends for most of that time. Adam turned up when I was getting
rid of a nasty sounding drum kit. I fancied myself as a drummer and got an
extremely cheap and hopeless drum kit. Within 5 minutes it was clear that I was
a drummer only in my head. A friend of mine told me that he had a mate that was
looking for a drum kit, so Adam shows up, he was 15 years old and I either gave
him the kit or sold it for a pint of beer. I was so pleased to get it out of my
room.
How
would you describe your music? Mod, Punk…?
Stephen: We
were a Punk band. It was the Sex Pistols that sparked us, and a lot of our
friends to form bands. Prior to the Sex Pistols at that time there was nothing.
I liked the Beatles and the Stones and Rob was listening to David Bowie and Bob
Dylan. However great their records were, none of these artists were on the television
or releasing regular singles that were on the radio. An album would come out
when you were 14 and when the next release came out you were 16. It seemed like
and age. Then mercifully The Sex Pistols turned up. I do remember the day after
the Sex Pistols had been on national television for the first time, Rob and I
had both seen it and were discussing them whilst we were fishing. On that
morning we recognised them as being hilarious but it took a couple of weeks
before they sounded like the greatest living band. If nothing else The Sex
Pistols took us off the riverbanks and put us into dark smelly clubs, which was
a step forward.


Rob: Somewhere in between I think. That’s if there is such thing as been
somewhere in between Mod and Punk?!  I
think, if anything, I was more punk, Stephen was more mod and Adam was more
jazz rock. I do find it interesting that some people seem to be concerned as to
what category to put music into. I always thought if I liked it, it is good
(unless it is Country and Western music!). When punk first came out, the idea
seemed to be to just get yourself a band together and play what you want, and
wear what you want.  And then it all
became more formalised, and categorised. We were going to the local charity
shops (Oxfam) and picking up clothes for a few pence. Later, we used to see
people who had gone down to London and bought expensive “punk
clothing”. I never got that.
What influenced you?
    
Stephen: The immediate influences on the band were the Pistols, The Clash, The
Jam and the Buzzcocks, along with the hundreds of independent records that
appeared on the scene almost instantly. Rob and I went on a tour selling the
merchandise for the Buzzcocks. Joy Division as the support act. I think that
the day to day exposure to these two bands further influenced Rob, who was the
main songwriter. I just chipped in a couple of songs here and there.
Rob: It was an interesting time because you
could go to an independent record shop and there would be so many singles from
bands you just hadn’t  heard of. Some
good, some indifferent, and some downright rubbish. So some influences came
from bands that I can’t even remember the name of now. But the more obvious
influences were bands like the Sex Pistols, The Buzzcocks, the Vibrators, The Damned,
the Jam, The Adverts. And from the pre-punk era, the Beatles, David Bowie, Bob
Dylan.
Tell
me about the local scene in Lincoln?
Stephen: In
1977 very rudimentary skills on instruments could sound thrilling. Punk enabled
anyone that fancied being in a group to form one and have a go. We took
advantage of this along with many others. Suddenly you would see oddly dressed,
scruffy, spotty boys walking the streets carrying guitars and small synth
keyboards. Dozens of bands were born overnight, many with their own records
available. The Bodyguards, Sinking Ships and Stig and the Laceraters are three
that we formed from our immediate friends. This phenomenon was taking place
throughout all the towns and cities in Britain. It was a unique and exciting
time to be in a group.
I
was involved with a distribution company that bought records from local bands
from around the country and sold them mail order in the New Musical Express
magazine as well as to shops. Amongst the many records we bought were the first
releases from the Human League and Def Leppard, both Sheffield bands and both
would have number 1albums in America within a few years. It was an astonishing
time looking back it. 
You
received some airplay on the John Peel radio show in the UK and you also did
some recordings for it.

 Adam
Stephen: We got offered a prestigious John Peel Session and the first date for
the session we couldn’t make so the next time he played the ‘They’re back
again’ single on his show he said over the air that we had turned down a
session because one of us was cleaning our car. This was untrue, but made us
appear wittier than we were and slightly arrogant which was no bad thing.
Unbelievably as I write this I am at the BBC Maida Vale Studios in London where
that session took place. I just popped into Studio 4, which is the studio we
recorded in. The studio wasn’t in use. I planned to photograph it but I
couldn’t find the light switch. There are a lot of switches and knobs in a
recording studio. We recorded 4 songs and mixed them in a day ‘Valium World’
was one that I remember. It was broadcast more that once and people seemed to
like it.

Rob
Rob: John Peel played the first single (EP) quite a number of times and we
were asked to go and do a gig for his roadshow. At the gig he asked us to come
and do one of his sessions, which we did in 1980. We recorded four songs for
the session at the BBC Maida Vale studios. “Can’t sleep at night,”
“Valium world”, “It’s the Only Way to Live (die)”,
“Frivolous Disguises”. I remember the day before going down from Peel
session, Stephen’s bass had developed a problem and we had to drive 35 miles to
the music shop to get it fixed. While we were waiting for the repair, about 6
inches of snow came down and as we drove home we got into an accident and the
car was spinning round.  I remember
thinking, damn, we’re just about to die just as we’re about to take the first
step to being famous. Needless to say we didn’t die, then again we never became
really famous.

 Stephen
In your time you released only one
single and an EP. I would like if you could share a story about these
recordings?


Stephen: We
heard that there was a recording studio just out of town which seemed
unbelievable to us. We never knew that it existed. We went to have a look at it
and it looked like a proper recording studio with a drum booth and padded
walls, it was very 70’s, and tiny. It had a 4 track tape machine and we
recorded 6 songs, all finished in a couple of days. Out of this came the first
ep, ‘They’re back again’, ‘I’ve forgot your number’, ‘All we want is your
money’. ‘Miranda’ and ‘Media Mania’ were amongst the songs. It was all live
performances, and the recordings captured what we were about and the times we
were in very well I think.

We
went in a couple of more times and spent a little longer, not much, on each
song, but perhaps the results were less successful. I do think that those first
recordings benefit from our naivety and definitely the excitement of being in a
recording studio from the first time. They still sound fresh to me.
What were songs mostly about?
Stephen: Whatever young men forming their first opinions of the world in which
they find themselves find relevant. A bit of politics, money, the media,
prescription drugs, girlfriends. The usual. I don’t remember much sex working
it’s way into the songs though. Some early songs were purely for the fun of
being a little shocking. ‘Damage your Health’ was an early one that was done
for amusement. An American Punk band did cover that song. I got no credit
though. It was a straight cover of us too.
Rob: Some songs of personal stuff, some political stuff and some just fun.
“They’re Back Again Here They Come” was about the rise of right-wing
movements in Britain that time. “All They Want Is Your Money”, was
about music industry, and people writing songs about change, the kids, about
making money out of rebellion. I want people to understand that we were just the
same.
“Will Damage Your Health” is the name of a
compilation that features most of your unreleased stuff. It’s released on “Detour Records”. There is so many great stuff on it. 
Stephen: I
think that that record consists of everything that we ever recorded, including
the Peel Session, one of our first rehearsals and some stuff that Rob did after
I’d gone. So the very beginning in the rehearsal room is captured with
‘Re-arrange your brain’ The couple of singles and their flip sides. Some songs
included on a local compilation album called ‘East’. The riff to one of those,
‘Frivolous disguises’, still pops into my head from time to time. The Peel
session is on there and a handful that never found their way onto a record.
It’s everything that we did in the 3 or 4 recording sessions that we had in
what was a two year life span.

Rob: Some stuff comes from a seven track
cassette tape that we put out before we released the first single. Other stuff
came from recordings that we did later on. Some of the tracks had been recorded
for a third single which never got put out. 
And some was for the “East” album, that was a collection of
tracks from local bands. We had a good relationship with the local recording
studio and would often get a little bit of free time to record.
There is one song I really love called
“You were so young”. What is it about?
Rob: In reality, I guess this song should have
been called “Yesterday’s News”. I was reading a newspaper one day and
some stories stuck in my mind. Later in the day I was talking to some people
about those stories but nobody knew what I was talking about.  It turned out I had being reading last week’s
newspaper, hence yesterday’s news. It interested me how things that have been
so tragic a week before we had now forgotten. It’s also about media
representations and how people become fascinated with people in the media. It
wasn’t as prevalent as is now – fascination with celebrities has increased even
more. It seems to be one my favourite themes for songs, “Media
Mania”, “Rhythm and Curves” and “Frivolous Disguises”
have elements of these ideas within them. Perhaps I’m obsessed with people who
are obsessed with the media.
Were you political active as a punk
band or was it pure fun?

Stephen: There are some political references. The
seventies had a lot of political strife, Britain was crumbling a little and of
course the Cold War was still going on. I saw the ‘Rude Boy’ film that features
the Clash a few years ago and was shocked at how old fashioned the seventies
were. Some of the vehicles on the road looked like were from the fifties. All
over that film you can witness the state that Britain was in so it’s not
surprising that some political references feature but it was balanced with the
trivial.
Rob
Where did you do shows?
   
Stephen: We performed In the local Colleges and Pubs. There were a couple of
grotty nightclubs in the town too where we played. We did the ‘John Peel
Roadshow’ gig in Northampton which was immortalized on video tape and a show at
a Pub in Sheffield to an audience of so few we could have introduced ourselves.
Why did you disbanded?
      
Stephen: We had to earn a living. As I mentioned earlier we were a ‘local band’.
We’d had a couple of years but now it was time to get a job. Adam had finished
school and was going off to College. I had had a job for a couple of years
before going to the Art College but I now wanted to be part of what was going
on in the music business, if I could, so a move to London beckoned. We didn’t
have a Manager or an Agent, we did everything ourselves. We put out our own
records from our own homes, got our own gigs. We were a bunch of kids and the
time had come to leave home.
Any regrets?
      
Stephen: The exact opposite. I found the mid-seventies to be very tedious. I
really wanted to be in a band but the fashion was for overblown music that
required huge drum kits, keyboards, stacks of amps and expensive guitars. You
needed money and a beard and I didn’t have the former and was incapable of the
latter. Being in a band in the seventies wasn’t possible for a teenager until
Punk. Then our time came and it was probably the best time of all. The DIY
mentality of that time enabled us to put out our own records. Having your own
record to put on your own turntable was the dream, and we were able to achieve
that and it was a great thrill.
What happened after you disbanded and
what occupies your life these days?
      
Stephen: I, along with partners had an Independent Record Label and distribution
company and out of that we released Soft Cells ‘Tainted Love’. This was while I
was still in Lincoln. I then moved to London and during the 80’s I co-managed
bands including The Screaming Blue Messiahs and for the last 20 years I’ve been
Tour Manager to ‘Jools Holland and his Rhythm and Blues Orchestra’. The
Orchestra tours constantly in the UK and around the world. They record albums
and perform on TV and Radio so music and musicians are still my world.
Thanks for your time. Anything else you
would like to share? Perhaps a message for It’s Psychedelic Baby readers?
  
Stephen: I
was shocked when the request came through to do this interview and still can’t
believe that the It’s Psychedelic Baby readers have heard a single note of The
Cigarettes. I’ve enjoyed revisiting what now feels like a lost world. The
recordings are a little time capsule for me and having listened back to some of
the songs on YouTube I have to say that they do retain a freshness that can be
enjoyed today and capture their time remarkably well. I’m now a fan and I hope
that you may become one too.
Rob: I would just like to say thanks to anybody
who still listening to the tracks. I went on YouTube a few years ago and was
amazed to find that people had posted our tracks, and was pleasantly surprised
to find how many hits they had. I never thought the songs would last as they
seemed to be of a particular time. It’s really nice to know that people are
still listening to them. I’ve even listen to them myself and some of them
aren’t bad!
Interview made by Klemen Breznikar / 2012
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http://psychedelicbaby.blogspot.com/ 2012
2 Comments
  1. Soulman O'Gaia

    I was a kid that lived close to Steve and Rob...went to the same school...the year above..and learned to play guitar and write songs with Rob. I remember Stephen very well as another local lad. I was never a gig attending fan of the Cigarettes but remain a fan non-the-less. I still have the vinyl.I'm a professional musician and often reference some circa 70's bands in the lead up to one of my songs.I had transposed "The Sinking Ships" 50 miles up the road to Leicester and stand corrected! Loved the article...thanks
    Soulman O'Gaia (Joe Gray)
    Creator of Freedom Songs
    www.soulmanogaia.com

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