“Enjoy The Experience” an interview with author Johan Kugelberg

December 30, 2013

“Enjoy The Experience” an interview with author Johan Kugelberg

Enjoy The Experience – Johan Kugelberg, editor (Sinecure)

Enjoy The Experience is the largest anthology of American
private press vinyl ever amassed and presented, featuring over one thousand
cover reproductions from 1958-1992. Special 2xLP and 2xCD compilations feature
selections from albums mentioned in the book, and a limited-edition collectable
bundle is also available, featuring the book, 2xLP, posters, iron-on patches,
and several albums, including Dutch sensation Bud Benderbe’s inimitable
rendition of The Velvet Underground & Nico!

It is our pleasure to sit down with Enjoy The Experience
editor, Johan Kugelberg for the following interview.
Your book focuses on private pressings between 1958 and
1992. What is unique about this period? What happened in 1958 that you chose to
start your analysis here and why end in 1992?
Well, I don’t know if analysis is the right word. What I
started noticing once I had perused hundreds upon hundreds of private press
records is that the cover designs started revealing themselves as a visual
language, a vernacular and a great bizarro world Americana, like crazy-quilts
or regional hamburgers. Listening to hoards of these records certainly brought
about thrill-seeker music fan moments that brought about appreciations for
hyper-obscurities a la Acid Archives, but for me more importantly was a sense
of these amateur recordings and homemade music products en masse, where one
could start finding similarities in execution and style, not only upon
listening to, say, the 500th version of ‘MacArthur Park’.
Starting point and exit point were arbitrary, but not
completely so 1958 was a good starting point as the LP had started to gain
immensely in popularity, and 1992 was a good exit point because of the CD.
Today it seems that vanity pressings are becoming the norm
rather than the exception, particularly as anyone with a homemade recording
studio and a computer is capable of recording and releasing an album. What is
different between today’s private pressings and the ones you cover in your
It was so much more difficult to get your music out back
then, that there really is no comparison between the two in my opinion. I
certainly believe that there must be enormous amounts of amazing musical
discoveries online nowadays, but the gargantuan effort and astronomical expense
of releasing your own LP record back in the day meant that only the most
driven, idiosyncratic, and visionary people followed through and made an LP.
You mention at the outset that vanity pressings are most
common in the US? Why do you think that is? Surely there were artists around
the world pressing their own home grown recordings?
Yes, but nowhere near as common as here. I blame/celebrate
American ingenuity: where a buck can be made, America will make a buck. The
pressing plants that mushroomed across America 50-odd years ago needed to churn
out product, hence vanity LPs as a parallel to vanity book publications.
Do you think that these artists never intended to try to get
a label to release these albums and so they were recorded without much
expectation of commercial recognition? Were these mostly recorded for family
and friends, or were the artists actually hoping to see their albums in record
stores, but no label was interested in releasing their work?
The answers to that one are as many as there are private
press recording artists. I think some people used their record as a demo,
hoping to get that major deal; other people had a smaller appetite for
recognition and were happy to sell a souvenir album at their local bar &
grill or church or swap meet, and for some people no doubt these records were
truly pressings of vanity.
Where do you find these things! Paul Major has turned you on
to a lot of the albums you discuss, but is there actually some sort of secret
underground cabal that regularly seeks out and trades these recordings?
When I stepped off the boat from the old country 25 years
ago, these records were everywhere, rejected by all but the most ardent vinyl
weirdoes. The internet has provided an enormous hunger for obscurity, so a weird
and unknown local record can become a most desired totem-object overnight, sort
of like how northern soul or breakbeat records can work.
In most instances, the people who are enthusiastic about
these records have friends that share their enthusiasm. This book came together
through friendships spanning decades, and we were truly standing on the
shoulders of giants such as Mike Ascherman, Jack Streitman, Geoffrey Weiss,
Gregg Turkington, Brandan Kearney, RIch Haupt, and Will Louiviere who shared
their knowledge and enthusiasm.
Regarding finding these records, I have a couple of friends
who still crisscross this great nation, finding completely amazing and insane
records in thrift stores and flea markets constantly. There are a lot of
undiscovered records in America.
How do you draw the line between the “collectable” private
pressings that trade for hundreds or thousands of dollars and get listed in
record guides like Vernon Joynson’s Fuzz, Acid and Flowers (e.g., the Ya Ho Wa
13s, C.A. Quintets, Mystic Sivas, Rising Storms, et.al. that Paul mentions) and
the 25 cent flea market finds that no one cares about?

I actually didn’t. Part of the point of the book was for it
not to be about rare records, but more about Americana, grassroots-creativity,
and the DIY self-starter nature of the American frontier spirit, especially
when the frontier explored is the inner landscape.
The book is extremely patriotic, and I hope conducts some of
the awesome happiness I feel for the creativity of this great nation, as a
first generation immigrant.
Is there a hierarchy that a small group of collectors sets
when it comes to these recordings? Paul mentions folks like Erik Lindgren and
Gregg Turkington and you alluded earlier to Patrick Lundborg’s Acid Archives
that also discusses vanity pressings from the same approximate time frame as
your book. Are these the “experts” when it comes to setting values to these
recordings and separating the wheat from the chaff?

I don’t quite know how to answer that one. I think that in
this day and age, we should be grateful for any credible curators of popular
culture that can bring us gnosis and/or thrills, especially of the thrift store
variety. This book is actually about not separating the wheat from the chaff,
but finding enjoyment in the entire experience.
Why does it seem that so many “Christian” music albums seem
to dominate the private pressing field? It almost seems to be a genre unto
itself that some collectors can’t get enough of? Is it the evangelical message
so inherent to the lifestyle that generates these recordings?
I think yet again it is great American capitalism: a church
is a captive audience, and religious peers can easily be browbeaten into
purchasing something to celebrate the mutuality of having the same lord and
Do you think there’s more than just the “so bad it’s good”
reaction that make it worth the effort to seek out these recordings? I’m sure a
lot of them are better than what the major labels actually deemed suitable to
put out and flood the market with over the years?
I am really not into the “so bad it’s good” thing. I think
it is elitist, short-sighted and rather sad. I turn away from internet record
snark automatically, as all this stuff is supposed to be fun. Some of these
records are doubtlessly laughable, some of these record covers are bafflingly
idiotic, and some of the aesthetic musical choices are idiotically baffling,
and I think that is absolutely wonderful – anything to avoid the blandness of
mass-market music product!
At this point, I think pretty much all of it is better than
the major label sounds of the same era. Where it gets truly mysterious,
fascinating, and fun is when you can bring a vanity/private-press listening
experience to major label groups. I have recently started to love the Doors,
solely on listening to them as an over-the-top lounge band with a Palmer
Rockey/Kit Ream-style vocalist. Shirley Bassey and Richard Harris are other
examples of major label vanity pressing artists.
You introduce a great point in your conversation with Paul:
there’s just so much of this stuff out there, how can anyone possibly discover
it all and wade through the junk to get to the “good stuff”? Mike Aschermann
and Jack Streitman offer a list of their favourites, and you’ve included
excerpts from Paul’s catalogues. But are these albums ever offered for sale and
do people collect and trade them to actually listen to them? Or is it just a
matter of conversation starters among the “real people” collector cognoscenti?
I don’t really know. I see sound files from these records
starting to do the rounds, and I hope that this will continue. I think these
recordings really provide an honest human flavour that counteracts mass market
swill. Think amazing regional hamburgers and sodas and pies, where an
amateuristic homemade element truly adds to the tasty flavor!
A perfect example is listening to the Art Martin Quartet’s
version of ‘Fire & Rain’. I love it, I find it truly moving, and I have
never even been able to tolerate the sound of James Taylor. My emotional
response to this amazing/insane cover version does mean that I need to
reevaluate my opinion about James Taylor!
Some of the art work on these albums is fantastic. Does that
alone add to the value of the album? Do people collect them purely for the
cover art and maybe never even listen to the music?
I hope not, but boy are some of those covers eye-ball
pleasers! I just hope the book leads people to look out for these kinds of
records and that it brings about some sort of sense of the beauty of everyday
human expression.
Is the grading and valuation of these records different from
the standard “collectable” ratings? I mean, many of the albums pictured in your
book have drawings, scribblings and other writings and colourings on them!
Normally, this would kill the value, but is there a separate criteria for these
I think anyone who collects records as an investment has
grabbed the short end of the stick. Some records in this book have changed
hands for lots of money, but money isn’t a yardstick for an art experience, and
the price of an artwork is solely what someone else is willing to pay for it,
notwithstanding if said artwork is the Russ Saul album or Picasso’s Guernica.
Some of the albums discussed in your book have actually been
reissued and are more readily available; albums by Rex Holman, Jade Stone &
Luv, Plastic Cloud, Bobb Trimble, John Rydgren’s classic Silhouette Segments,
and of course The Shaggs. Does that detract from their value or do collectors
still crave the originals?
The more the merrier. I don’t pay much attention to the
recent surge of reissues, as there really aren’t any labels anymore where I
feel that the aesthetic vision is on the level. I pick up the odd reissue, and
there has been some amazing ones, but there are only so many hours in the day.
Something I think is a bit of a problem these days is what I call
“straight to rare”, where people will only listen to rare records or
obscure musics, which I think is completely missing the point. All this stuff
is supposed to be enjoyed, and God and his pals aren’t going to hold up
scorecards for coolness and hipness when we die. Music serves us, we don’t
serve music, as Michael Daley pointed out. Art experiences that are derived
from attempting to impress other people will always be hollow.
Have you been contacted by any of the artists you discuss or
whose albums are included? Do they appreciate the attention and acknowledgement
or is there the danger of a negative connotation – sort of like rubbernecking
at an accident? How do you convince your readers of the value of these
recordings as something more than a recording freak show?

They all seem really happy, and I think they notice that
this book is as far from rubbernecking and freakshowism as possible. I hope
that the tone of the book reflects our love and admiration of the creativity
and spirit of all these people.

– Jeff Penczak
© Copyright http://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2019
Leave a comment

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *